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Michael Kratsios: Trump's Science Agenda, Anti-Science Claims, Fauci's Damage, DEI & China

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Michael KratsiosWhite House OSTP Director

Michael Kratsios is the White House Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy and President Trump’s science and technology advisor.

Summary

Michael Kratsios argues that the White House science office is meant to coordinate America’s fragmented research apparatus, not operate as a standalone agency, and says the administration’s goal is to double U.S. scientific output by applying AI to hard problems. He rejects the “anti-science” label, instead arguing that science has been politicized, grantmaking has drifted toward low-productivity spending, and institutions such as NSF and NIH should run metascience experiments to test what actually improves outcomes. The episode also revisits climate policy, DEI-related grant allocations, the aging NIH workforce, and the need to make grants more scientist-centered and flexible. A major thread is the strategic race with China: Kratsios says the U.S. should preserve a decentralized, merit-based system, invest in mission projects like quantum, fusion, and lunar programs, and expand the STEM pipeline for Americans.

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