
Guests
Sam Altman is the CEO of OpenAI, the AI company behind ChatGPT.
Dario Amodei is the co-founder and chief executive officer of Anthropic.
Tech entrepreneur and investor, co-founder and partner at Craft Ventures.
Evan Hubinger is an alignment stress-testing team lead at Anthropic.
Summary
Reid Hoffman and Aria Finger react to recent public warnings from Anthropic and OpenAI researchers, including Evan Hubinger’s personal estimate of above-10% AI-caused extinction risk within a decade. Hoffman pushes back on the headline-grabbing existential-risk framing and instead says policymakers should focus on “steering” AI, with targeted slowdowns or safeguards only where they serve a concrete purpose. He identifies three practical risk buckets—biorisk, cyber risk, and jobs—and argues that the response should differ by category: AI can help defend against biorisk, cyber defenses must harden fragile systems quickly, and job disruption should be met with telemetry plus new AI-powered services. He also makes a broader “dual mandate” argument: America should keep leading in AI while ensuring that more than 60% of Americans see real economic gains, including free or low-cost assistants for medicine, legal help, education, and government services. The conversation closes on trust, data centers, electricity bills, and kill switches, with Hoffman saying public legitimacy will come from concrete benefits and enforceable safeguards, not just promises.